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Hell's Bay Darkside Association Thread, We need your help in TribeNwater Boats; Originally Posted by mwk Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............now we are getting somewhere Mikey, how was sushi the other night?...
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Old 01-22-2008, 06:46 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm............now we are getting somewhere
Mikey, how was sushi the other night?
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Ummmm , how do prop scars relate to fixing damage done by a hurricane ?
Don't want to get into a debate ....just want to know the details and what the " planned fix " might be .
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Ummmm , how do prop scars relate to fixing damage done by a hurricane ?
I know you old guys can only focus on one topic at a time, but it is possible to have a meeting and discuss more than one issue.


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One of the problems identified was the 4 main canals and ditches that had their pugs blown out a few years back in a hurricane.

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The rest of the plan discussed was on the well being of the seagrasses in Florida bay which are under attack mostly by uneducated or uncaring boaters both professional and non.
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Ahhhh , tis much clearer now .
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Did u just fall off the turnip truck?
I guess i did.

So now you have gone from being grumpy about this being in the HB section, to the people who are trying to pay for and fix these plugs are not good enough. They have a team of biologists and money set up to take care of the problem with the plugs. Am i missing something? People are making a big effort to try and fix the problem.

Since none of this meets your approval, who do you think should take care of it?
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Old 01-22-2008, 08:14 AM   #26 (permalink)
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rj u think a million dollars has no strings attached
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To show you his possitiion on this I offer this example. One of the problems identified was the 4 main canals and ditches that had their pugs blown out a few years back in a hurricane. This allowed salt water to rush in and destroy the freshwater mix of the marshes located west of Flamingo and above the North shore of Fl. Bay. These areas are vital for the rearing of juvinal redfish, snook, tarpon and trout. Before the plugs blew out biologists were netting loads of young gamefish in every cast not throw. In the last 3 years they have not caught one single fish
Just a question, "canals", "ditches", and "plugs" sound manmade, wouldn't the removal/restoration back to a natural state be better for the glades longterm?
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strings? what like free admission for life to to the park to the money donors. Don't know how many strings they can get from the national park service. Ever heard of donations and tax deductions. Or maybe they just love it so much down there and money is no object, they just want to help preserve what they love.

Mark, just going by what was written, apparently they had more game species with the plugs in. Don't know if they moved to a different location because of the salinity changes and they have not found it. I leave that to the specialists that like mosquitos.
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I can think of a lot of strings........limited acees to the public......P-N-T.......pro guide regulations.

closed areas........Until Flatsbroke post the minutes from this meeting we have no idea what is going on.


Mark there have been lots of canals cut .that has let in saltwater. One example would be Lake Ingram.

There are so many issue here it's not funny.

U have major problems from of Big O and Big Sugar.

Just the building of the Ingram Highway caused major changes.

FlatsBroke should state his agenda instead of giving half answers.

Frankly I'm amazed RJ that you would hop on this bandwagon without knowing both sides and all the facts to this story.
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I am not hopping on this bandwagon mikey. Like you I would like to know more. But these people are trying to take proactive approach rather than reactive approach to what is happening and you can't give them 1 inch of slack without conspiracies theories and hidden agendas. There are already closed areas and NMZ areas so what are you crying about. You fish a nmz every weekend. They have considered several plans to limit boats and where they can go to a much greater extent. That was about 6-9 months ago.

http://parkplanning.nps.gov/document...cumentID=19058


I would rather these people make a strong effort to show progress can be accomplished from the communtiy side of it rather than wait on any gov't funding or plans while private environmental extremists go out and curtail everything via lawsuits. Then the only way you'll get inthere will be with a paddle. No gov't program in the history of time will ever out do anything in the private sector.

Or are you just still grumpy about this being put in the HB section
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